Chris Kreider Out With Upper-Body Injury

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The Rangers’ 1-0 shoout victory over the Washington Capitals tonight might have come at a significant cost to the Blueshirts.

Kreider left the game with an undisclosed injury and didn’t return after logging just 5:01 of ice time through the first period. Worse yet, Vigneault’s postgame update on the matter just barely qualified as such, classifying the mysterious injury as “upper-body”.

Kreider is currently third on the team in scoring with 25 points and tied for second in goals with 11 in 37 games. Suffice it to say, any long-term injury scenario would be particularly bad news for the Blueshirts whose biggest team strength this season has been its forward scoring depth – a group that is already missing Jesper Fast, out with a quad strain, for the next two to three weeks.

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Future
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    If they stay on the bubble for the next two months, Kreider is essentially the piece they bring in at the deadline.

    It's a really good sign if this team stays in a playoff spot without him.



    This is true, Future. I'm just concerned for the guy, since he's going to be a big piece of this franchise, hopefully for many years to come. I wouldn't want to see him risk his career for a team, or better yet a coaching staff that won't win. Kreider has all the talent, speed and size to be a top 10 player in this league. This team in my opinion isn't a "bubble team" because we don't have the talent....





    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzy
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    Meaningful games is what I was aiming at. Sorry Josh...I wasn't clear in what I was trying to get at. It's going to be a tough call too! This team is a bubble type team where it could bounce either way at this point; They're not really a dominant 1st place finisher, and they're not a bottom feeder either.

    I think they'll do what they always do: Trade for a miracle at the deadline, toss away assets and go for it.

    I just hope they don't subject this kid to trouble down the road, because 4 years from now, this season is going to mean nothing.



    If they stay on the bubble for the next two months, Kreider is essentially the piece they bring in at the deadline.

    It's a really good sign if this team stays in a playoff spot without him.





    Quote Originally Posted by josh
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    How old is your son?
    We went out there and looked at a few schools when I was around 7th/8th grade. They were the first few schools we visited, I was like a deer caught in the headlights - hindered the experience a bit. You looking to send him, or just a summer program?



    He's a late 02, just turned 15. 98% of his teammates are always a grade higher. He's a true freshman, so if I send him I won't have him repeat yet. The agency runs a bunch of skates in the offseason to let schools and coaches get a look. He was scouted last year and picked up some steam at a showase in MA this past August. Long fuckin way to go, we'll see what happens lol. So Kreider, Vesey, and a few other NHL guys (I think the Hayes brothers, but not sure) train in the same circles as scouts in his agency, so it'll be an awesome experience if he gets to be around them this spring.





    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey37
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    Agreed. Kreider trains hard in the off season anyway. He works out with coaches from my son's advisor agency, and they rave about his work ethic. We're going up there this summer to work out for some prep schools, I love watching those guys train. Hopefully I'll get a chance to see him up there with a few other MA guys. They don't let the prep school and midget kids skate with college and pro guys, so I'm not sure if we'll cross paths.



    How old is your son?
    We went out there and looked at a few schools when I was around 7th/8th grade. They were the first few schools we visited, I was like a deer caught in the headlights - hindered the experience a bit. You looking to send him, or just a summer program?





    Quote Originally Posted by josh
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    He's not going to be cleared to return if he's not healthy, or it poses any sort of damage to his health.
    He's out for so long due to the medication he is being put on... and once he is removed from that medication (after the condition is cleared up), theres an observation period. They'll do the necessary checks.. this isnt like coming back from a knee injury.

    If he's healthy enough to return, put him back in the lineup. With a kid that age, a few weeks of playing at the end of the season will get that motivation and drive back for the summer, as opposed to sitting out, being depressed and discouraged. Any player will tell you - its an awful way to end your season



    Agreed. Kreider trains hard in the off season anyway. He works out with coaches from my son's advisor agency, and they rave about his work ethic. We're going up there this summer to work out for some prep schools, I love watching those guys train. Hopefully I'll get a chance to see him up there with a few other MA guys. They don't let the prep school and midget kids skate with college and pro guys, so I'm not sure if we'll cross paths.
    Meaningful games is what I was aiming at. Sorry Josh...I wasn't clear in what I was trying to get at. It's going to be a tough call too! This team is a bubble type team where it could bounce either way at this point; They're not really a dominant 1st place finisher, and they're not a bottom feeder either.

    I think they'll do what they always do: Trade for a miracle at the deadline, toss away assets and go for it.

    I just hope they don't subject this kid to trouble down the road, because 4 years from now, this season is going to mean nothing.
    Josh, the most important point you make is that once the condition is clear, it is the medication and observation that keeps him sidelined. Once the medication stops, not much else should stop him from rejoining the team. Particularly if they are meaningful games at the end of the season and/or playoffs. Just like Stamkos did last year.





    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzy
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    By the time CK is "ready to return", I think the team would have to really give some serious thought to whether or not to take a chance and let him finish out this season. It may be best for the kid to get everything set and make a go of it for next season instead. I think bringing him back this season is risky with that type of ailment....and god knows we only know the basic information.

    I'm no doctor either, but I can't see bringing him back to this squad and risk further injury or god forbid, career ending/life ending damage.

    I sure as hell wouldn't rush him back, and I'd be fine letting him stay on the sideline the rest of the year in this type instance.



    He's not going to be cleared to return if he's not healthy, or it poses any sort of damage to his health.
    He's out for so long due to the medication he is being put on... and once he is removed from that medication (after the condition is cleared up), theres an observation period. They'll do the necessary checks.. this isnt like coming back from a knee injury.

    If he's healthy enough to return, put him back in the lineup. With a kid that age, a few weeks of playing at the end of the season will get that motivation and drive back for the summer, as opposed to sitting out, being depressed and discouraged. Any player will tell you - its an awful way to end your season
    By the time CK is "ready to return", I think the team would have to really give some serious thought to whether or not to take a chance and let him finish out this season. It may be best for the kid to get everything set and make a go of it for next season instead. I think bringing him back this season is risky with that type of ailment....and god knows we only know the basic information.

    I'm no doctor either, but I can't see bringing him back to this squad and risk further injury or god forbid, career ending/life ending damage.

    I sure as hell wouldn't rush him back, and I'd be fine letting him stay on the sideline the rest of the year in this type instance.





    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Heaven
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    Im not a dr. or anything close to that, but maybe it has to do with CK probably having to go on blood thinners.



    Good point, could be.





    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Heaven
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    Im not a dr. or anything close to that, but maybe it has to do with CK probably having to go on blood thinners.



    Good thinking. Thanks





    Quote Originally Posted by Future
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    Didn't they say he was going to have the surgery like 10 days ago? Why the delay in getting it done?

    Also, this is what Stamkos did. He had surgery on April 4 and played May 26. That's about 7 weeks.



    Im not a dr. or anything close to that, but maybe it has to do with CK probably having to go on blood thinners.





    Quote Originally Posted by Future
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    Didn't they say he was going to have the surgery like 10 days ago? Why the delay in getting it done?



    Was wondering the same.





    Quote Originally Posted by Future
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    Didn't they say he was going to have the surgery like 10 days ago? Why the delay in getting it done?
    Also, this is what Stamkos did. He had surgery on April 4 and played May 26. That's about 7 weeks.



    the front office never told me why.
    Didn't they say he was going to have the surgery like 10 days ago? Why the delay in getting it done?

    Also, this is what Stamkos did. He had surgery on April 4 and played May 26. That's about 7 weeks.
    All good points. I think i'm noticing the affect most on the PP. First with Z and his right handed shot missing. And now Kreids.

    i felt he Kreider took a big step forward by improving his net front this year. I think someone HAS to commit to that on the PP and maybe then i'll feel better. no one on the team can replace his speed for his size. but someone can get in front on the PP and commit to it. And i nominate Miller. He's tough, got a little edge to his game. Good hand eye. I'd plant him out there on the first unit. It doesn't seem like it comes natural to Nash anyway.





    Quote Originally Posted by zman
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    With first Z-bad out and now Kreider it's become REAL obvious we don't have a top line. This game vs buffalo showed that. Big game, lots of energy, and the 4th line gets double shifted.

    Now i know what you're all thinking "we've never had a real TOP line" and i know, i get it. But that was kinda something that Ranger fans knew for the last 2-3 years. But every year we had something that resembled a top line. This year it was Kreider, Z, and Buch. Since that line has been broken, you see the effects first off on the PP, its been down hill since then. And now I feel it's affecting games. Other teams don't have to match up against that line, so it opens up putting their top D on whoever they want.



    They'll have to match up against someone though, and this team at times seems to have 4 lines that can score.
    If they decide for example to match up against Miller Hayes Grabner, that might make life easier for whatever combinations of Zibs, Buchnevich, Nash, Zucc or Fast-Carey-x

    I did notice as this game wore on the Rangers had a hard time penetrating and setting up in the O-zone, but part of that I credit to Buffalo working hard on defensive responsibilities.

    it will be a challenge without Kreider -- just hoping some players step up and take advantage of the extra minutes they might get. Like Miller did today in front of the net.
    It is what it is, not like we have any control over it; the only plus is it maybe gives more NHL developmental time to Nieves, and a chance for Carey to show what he can do, some of which has been a pleasant surprise. But there is not much substituting for a Kreider -- he's a high-value player.

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