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Can confirm that Oscar Lindberg will be going to Vegas in the expansion draft.
— Larry Brooks (@NYP_Brooksie) June 21, 2017
This is certainly not a worst case scenario for the New York Rangers concerning the expansion draft. While losing Oscar Lindberg isn’t great, they were going to part with some asset to Vegas. Better Lindberg than any of the other likely candidates. The Rangers hold on to Raanta, Fast and Grabner, all of whom have more trade value or current value to the team than Lindberg. Lindberg may have more upside down the road, but that’s an “if”. Assuming the Rangers didn’t have to part with any, or at least any significant, draft picks to make this happen, today’s a win and they can move on to the post Expansion Draft trade frenzy and free agency in reasonably good shape.
- Amazing how there are so many geniuses who know exactly the career path for an 18 year old kid lolsg3Glad they took Lindberg and not Fast
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Yeah, I'm glad they found the next Lindberg with the #7 pick in the first round. The guys that said Lindberg was easily replaced were right. All it took was trading Stepan.Glad they took Lindberg and not Fast
Sent from my LG-H830 using TapatalkDrew a PenaltyNot at all. How many fourth line centers do you see fetching big returns in moves that aren't deadline desperation deals? None. Raanta probably nets you a second round pick. Lindberg gets you a mid-round. Teams aren't aggressively in the market for bottom six players. They are for starters and there's the belief that Raanta could be one.
Drew, I respect your evaluations, especially on prospects, but you are way off on Oscar. He was a 2nd rounder who exceeded his expectations at each level. He is a proven cost-controlled 25 y/o center who can clearly excel in 3rd line duties and can play the wing. He could easily be worth a late first round pick to a team that does not always trade away their picks.
He is much more valuable than Raanta, given the demand for 28 y/o back-up goalies with 1 year left on their contract.
I'm ready to move on and chat about the draft. If my schedule permits.Slobberknockeri liked lindberg as well. something about the swedes that they are so well schooled fundamentally.
that being said i will hold judgement till we get into the summer.
you would think that gorton buying out girardi will lead to the thinking that giving an older player too many years is not prudent fiscal policy.
Quiet profundity here.
I share your sentiments on the swedes. When we needed strong play in all zones, during tight games and in the playoffs, Lindberg and Fast demonstrated their importance. Both tough and fearless, to boot. Factors in big games.
A couple of respected hockey friend followed their development closely, as they coursed a similar path. They shared some excellent coaching and exceeded their developmental goals at every level. Fast's expectations were lower given his 6th round status, Lindberg a 2nd.
Both moving into their prime, neither is 26 y/o yet. Oct 29 for Oscar, Dec for Fast. We need more swedes in the organization, not less. One just needs to look around the league. With no easy way to replace Oscar, a solid center who also plays wing, it was a bit complacent to not be proactive and assume Vegas wanted Raanta.
As for the buyout, we hope lessons were learned. Beyond long term contracts to aging players, giving no more than the 1 year NMC should be sensible policy for all sides. Then you get to name about 10 teams with a NTC. Gorton should set this standard, along with a few other GMs.
Slobber, it is gonna be hard for mgmt to resist Shatty if he is willing to take 5 years just under 6 mil. That is a hometown discount and the Rangers will be unable to get a true RHD like that w/o losing serious assets. That is as high as I would go, (with my 1yr NMC) if no other good options. Could you guys live with that?
I'd Sign Brendan for 3/4 years for up to 4 mil. At least we'd have a nice 2nd pair of Skjei and Smith to start the season.I don't understand how people are happy in losing one of the best 4th line centers in the league over a completely generic back-up goalie.
Seems like a major blow to me.FutureSince when can Lindberg play on the PP? He never has. I hate when analysts make shit up.
I think he did the year prior early in the season. I wanted him on the PP, bitched about it most of the season. Lindberg over Stepan out there would have made a difference IMO.
I said the same thing when I read it though. It's not like he was a staple on the PP.Ranger LothbrokFrom Dan Rosen's analysis on NHL.com:
I guess people will disagree on this for the foreseeable future, and it might be one of those agree to disagree things since people's views vary so greatly, but to me this isn't a minor loss. It's a big one. He's a guy that can play in every situation, won 52% of his draws, and was only our "4th line center" because that's the role he was asked to play. He's capable of a lot more.
Not to mention this hamstrings us with any Stepan trade as we'd have to replace two centers. To me, this is the worst-case scenario for who they could've picked. I would've actually preferred Raanta. Talbot/Raanta weren't lightning in a bottle that we just got lucky with. They were a product of Benoit Allaire, who can turn any goalie in to a viable starter. We absolutely could've found a $900k replacement on the FA and been fine with it.
Agreed big time. I really like Raanta. I think he's better than you give credit for, but the free agent market is jam packed with back up material that Allaire can fix.
I think exposing or trading Holden to Vegas with a prospect would have stopped Vegas from picking from our lower lines. It would not have cost a high draft pick. These other trades people are talking about as the bar price don't see the difference in talent the teams were protecting.
But, he's gone, it's over with. What now?
Any free agents fit the bill? How about more unsigned 1st round picks ala Hayes and Vesey?
I don't think AV is into Boo. Besides him, there's nothing in Hartford to take the role. Please don't bring back Dom Moore.I didn't say he has zero value, but certainly not more than Raanta. I think a mid round pick is a fair assessment of his value. He's a 3/4 center. Those don't fetch much.
Winnipeg and Arizona have both in the hunt for goaltenders. You'll get more for Raanta now than you would at the deadline. You don't see many teams adding on a goaltender in a push for a playoff spot.Drew a PenaltyNot at all. How many fourth line centers do you see fetching big returns in moves that aren't deadline desperation deals? None. Raanta probably nets you a second round pick. Lindberg gets you a mid-round. Teams aren't aggressively in the market for bottom six players. They are for starters and there's the belief that Raanta could be one.
Not saying Raanta can't be a starter, but who right now is looking for a starting goaltender? Your not going to get that much for him at this point, at the deadline you can get a 2nd for him, but we would have to be set in the minors with someone ready to step in. You can seriously say that Lindberg has zero value. It's not like the guy is a washed up 4th line center. He is a 3rd line center that's young and has a decent set of skills and hands.NYR2711All 4 of them have trade value, in fact Lindberg IMO has more value right now than Raanta.
Not at all. How many fourth line centers do you see fetching big returns in moves that aren't deadline desperation deals? None. Raanta probably nets you a second round pick. Lindberg gets you a mid-round. Teams aren't aggressively in the market for bottom six players. They are for starters and there's the belief that Raanta could be one.Blue HeavenBut Raanta actually has trade value.
All 4 of them have trade value, in fact Lindberg IMO has more value right now than Raanta.
ThirtyONEAbsolutely not. Raanta is arguably our best asset. Losing him for nothing would have SUCKED. Losing Lindberg really isn't a big deal in the scheme of things. Yeah, he's a fine player but he's a 4th liner. Raanta could potentially be a starter for someone.
The market for a starter is pretty much dry right now. Who is looking for a starter now? The only way your getting anything for him that's of significant value is at the deadline, and at that point, unless we have someone in the system ready, you can't move him then.NYR2711I don't think losing him is a minor loss, and I would rather have lost Raanta instead, but Id rather not lose Fast or Grabner, who IMO, are more valuable to the team.
Absolutely not. Raanta is arguably our best asset. Losing him for nothing would have SUCKED. Losing Lindberg really isn't a big deal in the scheme of things. Yeah, he's a fine player but he's a 4th liner. Raanta could potentially be a starter for someone.NYR2711I don't think losing him is a minor loss, and I would rather have lost Raanta instead, but Id rather not lose Fast or Grabner, who IMO, are more valuable to the team.
But Raanta actually has trade value.The last bit of that Lozo article. :rofl:I don't think losing him is a minor loss, and I would rather have lost Raanta instead, but Id rather not lose Fast or Grabner, who IMO, are more valuable to the team.Well then
Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by TapatalkAnd you get the other end of the spectrum
From Dave Lozo on Vice Sports:
WINNER: New York Rangers, Oscar Lindberg is a fine, decent player with plenty of potential. It's possible he realizes that potential, but it's impossible for it to mean a lick to the overall success of the Knights in the coming years. This was another strange choice by McPhee when staring down a team that had far more valuable assets to lose.
Heck, Lindberg wasn't even the best Swedish forward the Rangers had to offer ('sup, Jesper Fast).
Antti Raanta could be a starting goaltender in the NHL right now. Michael Grabner is earning a pittance while coming off a 27-goal season. The Rangers are cap-strapped and in win-now mode, so the threat of losing Grabner's cheap production should have scared them into sweetening a deal to take Lindberg.
Taking Lindberg isn't as bad as taking Theodore, yet this feels like the biggest favor McPhee did for any GM.
https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/the-golden-knights-werent-the-only-losers-in-the-expansion-draftSince when can Lindberg play on the PP? He never has. I hate when analysts make shit up.