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In case you had any doubts left that the Rangers intend to among the busiest and most active teams at the looming trade deadline, you can safely bury them now.
A Message from Glen Sather and Jeff Gorton. pic.twitter.com/Q56CXS8vDc
— New York Rangers (@NYRangers) February 8, 2018
The tl;dr version of this effectively confirms they intend to make multiple trades to rebuild for the future, including losing some “guys we all care about and respect”. This is clearly code speak that indirectly confirms many of the reports from the game’s insiders that even the likes of Ryan McDonagh, Mats Zuccarello, and/or J.T. Miller could soon be out the door.
Very direct press conference with Jeff Gorton and Glen Sather. Theme: Rangers aren't good enough now, not Stanley Cup contenders, need to look to the future to get younger and faster so they can become Cup contenders again. More in story form soon. #NYR
— Dan Rosen (@drosennhl) February 8, 2018
We’ve written extensively in recent weeks suggesting that the Rangers should fully embrace this opportunity. This “message” is about as strong of one confirming a dedication to it that you’ll see shared from team management ahead of what stands to be a watershed moment for the franchise this February 26th.
Strap in, everyone! This promises to be one hell of a ride.
- New twitter account, who dis?Follow up letter penned:
via RedditAccording yo Bob McKenzie
The rangers are basically operating with their roster on a zero sum huger, his words
Meaning they are basically floating every player on their roster out there other than hank and seeing if the return for them is more valuable to them then that specific player. He says it’s a totally new way and fascinating way to judge your roster. He says the rangers are trying to determine who they choose to marry themselves too. Do they want to be tied to Hayes, miller, skeij etc long term or are the pieces coming back a better value. Check out his podcast on tsn.ca. To hear it. He also says the only untraceable players are Staal and Shattenkirk. Do much for that bargainGo Rangers!!After thinking about it, I think the main reason they sent out that letter to the fans is because Zuccarello is a goner. He's going to be 32 after next season where he will be a free agent. They would either have to sign him to a 5-6 year deal (not worth) to carry him through age 37-38 or watch him walk. Love Zuccarello but he's not quite as good as the fans have made him out to be. A 20 goal scorer one time...and concerned about his game really regressing the next couple of seasons to want to commit long term money. Again, love Zuccarello and his attitude and chippiness he brings to the ice, but he won't be worth the long term deal he'll get at his age summer 2019.
Ryan McDonagh is the only other one (besides Hank who is not getting traded) who would give them reason to write that letter, but I don't think they will trade him because even if we rebuild over the next few years, he would still only be 31-32 and most likely still good with plenty of hockey left. He's way better than Marc Staal or Dan Girardi ever were, so personally I don't see that argument as legitimate hesitation to signing him to a 5 or 6 year deal at 30 years old next offseason. He has a lot of value as captain, leader of the team, and a mentor to younger defensemen being brought up.
The plan I could see them pursuing is trading Nash, Grabner, Zuccarello, and Holden:
- Nash for 1st rounder + NHL ready prospect (more than one team will offer a first, it will be who offers more)
- Grabner for 1st rounder + 3rd rounder or middle tier prospect (same as above)
- Zuccarello for 1st rounder + prospect + young NHL roster player (roughly)
- Holden for 2nd-3rd rounder (2nd might be high, but it seems other teams like him - regardless, anything we get for Holden is just gravy)
In the off-season they would try to re-sign Nash and Grabner. They would have essentially the same roster minus Zuccarello, but would have gained a ton of picks/prospects from the trades. It accomplishes both goals of remaining competitive during a rebuild. Call it a 80% full rebuild effort. Potential lineup next season:
Kreider - Zibanejad - Buchnevich
JT Miller - Chytil? - Nash
Vesey - Hayes - Grabner
? - Lettieri? Andersson? - Fast
McDonagh - Shattenkirk
Skjei - ?
Staal? - DeAngelo?
The holes may also be filled from the picks, prospects, or players received from the trades.The way I look at it is its going to take a miracle to get in at this point and the miracle is probably just as likely to occur with a new mix than with this mix so have at it.
As bad as the East is, a decimated lineup playing well still could, theoretically, get into the playoffs, but their goose is cooked.Gullible me, I took this as mgmt acknowledging we are going to be sellers, for the first time in ages, They are getting out front of the shit show they are about to ice for us. And even with that we already have fans calling them quitters.
This note says it was a nice run but it is time to look at the future. UFAs will be traded. They will seek "youth, skill, speed and character".
They may want to trade others like McD or Zuc, but it will depend upon the right return. They may still wait till the offseason or hold either into next season. They may try to trade Staal, but only if they can find a taker. Maybe they are open to Miller or your least favorite Ranger, but it is just as likely that he is back next year. Let's see.
We are open for business and I'm sure mgmt is already having discussions. But this isn't a liquidation sale, where the goal is to just move inventory. Given the potential volume of trades, I highly doubt we are going to be rushing to jettison every player who did not live up to your expectations for 75cents on the dollar..
You guys are amazing. First things first. A few weeks ago it was hard to get the board to dig in and discuss all of this. Today everyone comes out of the woodwork and some of you seem shocked, while others think we are trading 10 players.
The clock is ticking. We need to secure the best returns for our UFAs. We need to get a high-end player or haul for McD, because we can't invest in his next contract, due to age, injuries and our situation. We need to be creative, combine assets if beneficial, involve 3 teams in a deal, if needed, whatever it takes to get younger, faster and more.explosive.
Fatty Brooks was way late to the party, we were talking about trading McD in October. The discussion about Freidman was if he "heard" or just "thought" the Rangers might trade McD. That doesn't really matter. Honestly, the best Ranger info comes from various websites, XM hockey interviews, watching games and using your noggin. We know Brooks goes to various websites and he occasional will catch a game.I mean, form wise, they're the worst team in the NHL atm. Injuries have a part in that but they're really awful.The letter should be meaningless as far as sending any message league wide other than we are open for business so let's hear what you have to offer. What would turn this into a joke is if they accept any bad deals. They aren't forced into making any deals if the make a bad one or more it's on them and has nothing to do with this letter.
but the guys arent playing. Coach, system, goalie, injuries - all irrelevant at this point. These guys are going out of their way to not play hockey on a regular basis.
Youre at a point where you go scorched earth. Not that I agree with it, but a little tinkering isnt going to change.We will get more from 48 year old Henrik playing in net than we would get in a trade.
Trading him at this point will not yield a good return, nothing close to his worth, and would be a "trade just to make a trade". That will only happen when Lundqvist wants it to happen, and he's done enough for the organization where he can make those decisions.
Also, this is still a rebuild on the fly, regardless of how people want to interpret the "dont get mad when we trade Zucc" letter. Nothing turns around a rebuild quicker than solid goaltending. And we got that Russian kid waiting in the wings. At worst, Henrik is a great stop-gap.
Adding to my above post keep Zucc extend him a few years to work with the young guys and give him the official C instead of McD because he will be gone.
The press conference for Gortin sounds like a few years then why even keep Hank as a 39 yr old Goalie going for the cup, NOPE!