No Simple Solutions for the Rangers

Wait until Thanksgiving. That is typically the rule of thumb for evaluating a team as it gives them 20 to 25 games to find themselves, sort out any problems, and set a course for the rest of the season. However, when you’re the New York Rangers, a team that year-after-year expects to not only make the playoffs but also to challenge for the Stanley Cup, you don’t get as much leeway – especially when you just signed the summer’s biggest free agent. So let’s just say we’ll be celebrating Thanksgiving a little early this year.

At the time of this writing, the Rangers are in 28th place, sitting on a 2-6-2 record. They’ve got themselves a pitiful minus-11 goal differential due to the fact they’ve given up 3.50 goals per game (23rd) and they’ve only scored 2.50 goals per game (27th). Oh, they’ve also killed 77.8% of their penalties (22nd). But there’s not much to worry about because there’s plenty of time left in the season, right?! Well…

In other words, the Rangers need to play at the level they did last season in order to just barely make it into the playoffs, assuming playoff point projections are correct. It doesn’t sound wholly unreasonable to think that can happen. But, what about the first 10 games makes you believe the Rangers can “flip the switch” and play at a 103-point pace rather than the 25-point pace they’ve been playing at?

Assuming they manage to squeeze into the playoff picture, they would likely be in the first or second wild card, facing a top Eastern Conference team in the first round. At which point they are staring down the barrel of another 2015-16-like debacle in which they face a powerhouse team in the first round and get absolutely embarrassed.

So, where do we go from here? Well, there are a few options, but few if any will actually enact meaningful change that would result in a successful season. Let’s discuss a few of those options:

Firing Alain Vigneault

This is one of the most requested moves the Rangers could make, and it seems like the obvious one. The old adage is, “You can’t fire the players, but you can fire the coach,” so it stands to reason that AV’s head is on the block before anyone else’s. However, firing Vigneault leads to an opening that most believe will be filled by assistant coach Lindy Ruff.

Ruff was brought in during the off-season to head up the defense and so far, the results have been poor. The Rangers, on many occasions, look completely lost in the defensive zone. Opposing teams are regularly able to skate right into the slot or skate around a flat-footed defender. In fact, the Rangers have given up the third most scoring chances against at 5-on-5 – 234 in 10 games. This is a trend that’s followed him from Dallas, where in his four season tenure, the Stars gave up the fifth most scoring chances against at 5-on-5. Is that the kind of head coach the Rangers need right now?

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Further, firing Vigneault does nothing for the construction of this team. Greg Wyshinski of ESPN broke down the Rangers’ roster woes very well: 

On the larger scale, “this situation” isn’t one created by Vigneault, but by Rangers management, who traded 27-year-old Derek Stepan

Long term, this could turn out to be a shrewd decision, especially when Rangers GM Jeff Gorton isn’t tethered to that cap hit on a player with trade protection while chasing another player via trade or free agency. Short term, it meant that the Rangers went to war this season with a lineup that’s a doughnut: tasty on the outside, not much in the middle.

They have Mika Zibanejad, an established top-six center, and the hopes and dreams that either Kevin Hayes or David Desharnais can become a serviceable No. 2. It’s a stopgap decision, as the next wave of Rangers centers — the potentially brilliant 18-year-old Filip Chytil and 19-year-old Lias Andersson, who was acquired with the pick from that Stepan trade and is now playing overseas — weren’t quite ready for the show.

The Rangers are weak down the middle, and Vigneault has already tried a number of Band-Aids to patch that weakness. Vigneault went from declaring J.T. Miller a center in training camp to moving him to wing before the regular season started, then to center, and finally back to wing (mostly). He also has, for the last few games, run seven defensemen so that one of Hayes, Zibanejad, or Miller could rotate in double shifts on the fourth line. Vigneault even used waiver pickup Adam Cracknell briefly as the fourth line center before he was waived again after just four games in the Rangers lineup. The latest solution is calling up Boo Nieves from the Hartford Wolfpack to give him a shot at centering the fourth line.

And that’s just at center. The defense has been struggling mightily as well. Nick Holden, Steve Kampfer, and Tony DeAngelo have all popped in and out of the lineup at various points of the season thus far. DeAngelo, who has played eight games with the Rangers (the most bewteen Holden Kampfer and himself), has just been re-assigned to Hartford. Further, the defensive pairings have changed a multitude of times since the start of the season. Obviously, the coaching staff isn’t sure how to get the most out of their roster just yet, and firing Vigneault won’t magically solve that problem.

Making A Trade

Trade what? For who? On the back end, I’m not aware of any team that is offering to trade a defenseman that wouldn’t just be added to the revolving door of Holden and Kampfer. Any trade at this point would be a lateral move at best. To address the center issue, it is well known that Matt Duchene of the Colorado Avalanche and Alex Galchenyuk of the Montreal Canadiens are available. But both teams are going to be looking for a king’s ransom for these players – especially Duchene.

First, the Rangers should absolutely not be in the business of trading draft picks right now. Despite a good 2017 draft, the prospect cupboards are still bare due to the “win now” nature of the past four seasons that saw the Rangers pick only four times in the first two rounds in that span. As of now, the Rangers have a 2018 draft pick in each of the first six rounds and any additional picks they can stock up on would be extremely valuable.

Second, the Rangers don’t have much from their roster to give at the moment. None of their players—save for Miller, Zibanejad, and Zuccarello—are having particularly productive seasons so far. A player like Michael Grabner would have netted you a lot more in an offseason trade than right now, what with his one goal and one assist through the first ten games of the year. Zibanejad is a center, so it makes no sense to trade him. Zuccarello and Miller are key pieces and producers on this team. In dealing either of them, all you end up doing is creating one hole to fill another.

Perhaps a player like Chris Kreider could prove to be a useful trade chip. He’s off to a slow start this season with one goal and three assists in ten games, but perhaps the Rangers could sell him on his career year with 28 goals and 25 assists last season as well as his reasonable $4.625 million cap hit. But, again, it’s robbing Peter to pay Paul. Kreider brings a great deal to the Rangers lineup with his speed and size on the forecheck and his net front presence on the powerplay. Few players in the league have his combination of speed and size and his cap hit is one of the fairest on the team.

Finally, it would be an absolute travesty if the Rangers were to trade either Filip Chytil or Lias Andersson in an effort to save this season. They have both proven themselves to be valuable prospects at a very young age—something the Rangers have only a handful of at best —and they should be handled with great care. With any luck, they will be part of the future of this Rangers organization.

Staying the Course

This is the safest but least attractive option as a fan. Basically, the Rangers have dug themselves a great hole this season with their poor start. It would take a monumental effort just to make the playoffs, as detailed above. And, given the specific weaknesses of this team—particularly the inability to keep the puck out of their net in any situation—it’s hard to see them turning it around on a dime. Realistically, let’s say they begin to play better and, over the 14 games in the next month, post a 7-7-0 record. After that, they would have to play at a ridiculous 108-point pace for the rest of the season just to hit 96 points. There’s very little room for error. They need to turn it around now. To use another adage, “You can’t make the playoffs in October, but you can certain miss them.”

So, if they stay the course, what we’ll likely see is the Rangers spin their tires and miss out on the playoffs this year. This outcome allows them to restock the cupboards with the draft picks that they have and any further draft picks they acquire throughout the season. Unfortunately, though, it also means another failed season for Henrik Lundqvist who, as his play indicates, is not getting any younger. Also, it’s a wasted year of Kevin Shattenkirk’s contract, who is only signed for four years. And with a relatively empty prospect pool, most of all, it means another year in which hope for a swift change must come at great cost—whether it’s through a trade or free agency.

Discussion
  1. Kevin
    I'd leave this team alone until the trade deadline and see what high value prospects or picks they can pluck from real contending teams. We are in a position that some might find enviable. We are tanking without actually having bad players. If we just take this season on the chin and continue to hope that everything continues to go wrong, then a stud like Dahlin comes onto a team that is a not actually awful like most lottery teams are.
    Initially I was ticked about last night's loss to the Habs but I've woke up with a new perspective. Lose and lose hard for the rest of the season. Send Nash and Grabs packing at the deadline. Draft a few studs, sign Tavares, and then spend next season determining the value of players like Kreider, Miller, Hayes and Vesey. By 2019/2020 season, Andersson, Chytil, Dahlin (!), Pionk, DeAngelo, Lettieri, and Shestyorkin will all be primed and ready to make big contributions.
    All it will take is an utterly awful season this season, a season with promise next year, and then a contending season the following year. Shoot, I don't even care if you keep Hank on and let him suck it up for another season or two. He'll be Shestyorkin's perfect backup in two years. Easy peasy. Sure, I know there are holes in my logic but that's what I'm using to get me through this season!

    This team has been treading water since 2015. Gotta stop pretending everything's fine. Lose and lose hard. Build for the future. They peaked in 2014. Rebuild. Do it again.
    Kevin
    I'd leave this team alone until the trade deadline and see what high value prospects or picks they can pluck from real contending teams. We are in a position that some might find enviable. We are tanking without actually having bad players. If we just take this season on the chin and continue to hope that everything continues to go wrong, then a stud like Dahlin comes onto a team that is a not actually awful like most lottery teams are.
    Initially I was ticked about last night's loss to the Habs but I've woke up with a new perspective. Lose and lose hard for the rest of the season. Send Nash and Grabs packing at the deadline. Draft a few studs, sign Tavares, and then spend next season determining the value of players like Kreider, Miller, Hayes and Vesey. By 2019/2020 season, Andersson, Chytil, Dahlin (!), Pionk, DeAngelo, Lettieri, and Shestyorkin will all be primed and ready to make big contributions.
    All it will take is an utterly awful season this season, a season with promise next year, and then a contending season the following year. Shoot, I don't even care if you keep Hank on and let him suck it up for another season or two. He'll be Shestyorkin's perfect backup in two years. Easy peasy. Sure, I know there are holes in my logic but that's what I'm using to get me through this season!

    This is where I am at too. Its how I feel with the Giants this year as well. They're so full of injuries that you may as well just embrace it and let it go. Go get some high draft picks. Injuries are the perfect excuse for a shitty season. We all know the Rangers will never tank and have a full rebuild so an injury laden season is the perfect excuse to just let it go. Don't take that as me hoping for anyone to get injured. I never wish injury to anyone...except Mike Vick. Fuck that dog murderer. As it is now, its looking like we may no have to risk anyone's health, just their ego, as their play is doing it for them. Adding a solid top draft pick to an already talented team could really turn this franchise in a much better direction.
    My only fear with this season going down the shitter is Tavares maybe shying away from signing here fearing we could be headed into the same mediocrity the Isles have been in.
    Future
    The pace thing is wildly overblown.
    Win 5 in a row and that number changes. If a 3-7-2 stretch happened in December, people would be alarmed but the sky wouldn't be falling. They did almost exactly that - 8 points in 11 games in December - the year they went to the Cup final. The problem in a bad stretch to start the season is that you'll be playing playoff hockey way, way earlier in the year. It means we won't have the same "luxury" of lollygagging into the playoffs with a bunch of meaningless games in March, but it doesn't mean the season is over. A bad start to the season reduces your margin for error, it doesn't close the door.

    Absolutely.
    However, they have to win a few ASAP and they need to go on a run sometime soon. All these home games, they are in jeopardy of digging a huge hole very soon. Probably why the coach may be on his way out. The hope that a new coach has enough time to orchestrate a turn around.
    Kevin
    I'd leave this team alone until the trade deadline and see what high value prospects or picks they can pluck from real contending teams. We are in a position that some might find enviable. We are tanking without actually having bad players. If we just take this season on the chin and continue to hope that everything continues to go wrong, then a stud like Dahlin comes onto a team that is a not actually awful like most lottery teams are.

    Love the above paragraph. It was kinda the point I was making to AmericanJesus and others. There was never the need to blow the whole thing up. If we stink by TGiving, we stink. Then start subtley selling non-futures for futures and tank better. in the process. Generate bidding wars near the deadline. Hold on to the rest and execute a nice one-year rebuild.
    Nor is there a need to panic and start putting guys like Hank, "on the market". You let things come to you. Like early in a large poker tourney, there is no need to force play any single weak hand. Hank needs to get back in goal anyway. We'll know where his game is, soon enough. If an opportunity arises to shed most of his salary and get something useful back, you do it. If not, maybe he is an average starter and can be that next year. Then Shesty comes over and wins the job in Camp 2019.
    He's probably our best prospect, though Chytil might give him a run. Add Tkachuk or (some Ewing lottery luck) Dahlin and we are on our way.
    As you said, they'll be a few other NHLers coming up. I still think Graves may be our best (most ready) Dman, who should easily become a solid 3rd pairing guy with top 4 and PP potential.
    Initially I was ticked about last night's loss to the Habs but I've woke up with a new perspective. Lose and lose hard for the rest of the season.

    I get that this is what gets us through tough times, but this is where we depart. If we suck we suck. Just let it happen. Can't do anything but try to get better in the next ten games.
    If it hurts too much to root, then just watch and make assessments. It lessens the pain. Mgmt certainly can't dump useful players to tank this early and coaches and players need to work to win and get better. If by TGiving it is clear we are too deep in a hole, then we begin the rebuild you suggest. If we don't know till the New Year, so be it. Let it evolve and enjoy/manage any outcome.
    Send Nash and Grabs packing at the deadline. Draft a few studs, sign Tavares, and then spend next season determining the value of players like Kreider, Miller, Hayes and Vesey. By 2019/2020 season, Andersson, Chytil, Dahlin (!), Pionk, DeAngelo, Lettieri, and Shestyorkin will all be primed and ready to make big contributions.
    All it will take is an utterly awful season this season, a season with promise next year, and then a contending season the following year. Shoot, I don't even care if you keep Hank on and let him suck it up for another season or two. He'll be Shestyorkin's perfect backup in two years. Easy peasy. Sure, I know there are holes in my logic but that's what I'm using to get me through this season!

    Ha! Right on.
    I'll be watching to see how this all plays out. Found myself rooting hard (just not loudly) the last two games. I doubt it will change for Vegas or the Fla trip. Just too soon, doesn't feel right. We'll see.
    Nicky Fotiu
    The pace stuff is scary this early in a season but there is no reason a good team can not make up 2-4 points in 71 games.

    The pace thing is wildly overblown.
    Win 5 in a row and that number changes. If a 3-7-2 stretch happened in December, people would be alarmed but the sky wouldn't be falling. They did almost exactly that - 8 points in 11 games in December - the year they went to the Cup final. The problem in a bad stretch to start the season is that you'll be playing playoff hockey way, way earlier in the year. It means we won't have the same "luxury" of lollygagging into the playoffs with a bunch of meaningless games in March, but it doesn't mean the season is over. A bad start to the season reduces your margin for error, it doesn't close the door.
    Slapshot Solly
    The problem with this team is chemistry. The lines seem all wrong. No one jelled last night.
    You have some individual efforts but we are not seeing a team in any sense of the word.
    Sadly it seems to me that they might pull the plug on AV on Monday. I am not sure how much
    longer they can keep going with this type of effort. It has to fall on the coach. And I don't
    want Lindy Ruff as the replacement.

    Welcome to the board! I agree with the lack of chemistry...at one point during the game last night I saw Hayes centering Zuc, and Vesey I think. I was like "That's nice...the passing will be cool but no one will shoot the puck." I hope they continue to utilize lines that can't score the rest of the season. I'm 100% on board with the tanking theory now.
    The problem with this team is chemistry. The lines seem all wrong. No one jelled last night.
    You have some individual efforts but we are not seeing a team in any sense of the word.
    Sadly it seems to me that they might pull the plug on AV on Monday. I am not sure how much
    longer they can keep going with this type of effort. It has to fall on the coach. And I don't
    want Lindy Ruff as the replacement.
    I'd leave this team alone until the trade deadline and see what high value prospects or picks they can pluck from real contending teams. We are in a position that some might find enviable. We are tanking without actually having bad players. If we just take this season on the chin and continue to hope that everything continues to go wrong, then a stud like Dahlin comes onto a team that is a not actually awful like most lottery teams are.
    Initially I was ticked about last night's loss to the Habs but I've woke up with a new perspective. Lose and lose hard for the rest of the season. Send Nash and Grabs packing at the deadline. Draft a few studs, sign Tavares, and then spend next season determining the value of players like Kreider, Miller, Hayes and Vesey. By 2019/2020 season, Andersson, Chytil, Dahlin (!), Pionk, DeAngelo, Lettieri, and Shestyorkin will all be primed and ready to make big contributions.
    All it will take is an utterly awful season this season, a season with promise next year, and then a contending season the following year. Shoot, I don't even care if you keep Hank on and let him suck it up for another season or two. He'll be Shestyorkin's perfect backup in two years. Easy peasy. Sure, I know there are holes in my logic but that's what I'm using to get me through this season!
    Phil in Absentia
    The pace they'd have to play at just to make the lower end of the playoff spectrum is insane, though. Really, tomorrow's game is, IMO, the fulcrum. A loss there and you almost have to change coaches to see if a new voice can't right the ship.
    But I also believe that it's an issue of composition more than coaching, and I have no faith at all in Lindy Ruff or Scott Arniel to get blood from this stone.

    The pace stuff is scary this early in a season but there is no reason a good team can not make up 2-4 points in 71 games.
    sg3
    You really are Francesa.
    And BTW if the Rangers or any NY team followed your FIRE EVERYBODY approach, especially after 10 games of an 82 game season, Fatso on the FAN would be the first one RANTING and RAVING after the first losing season of "rebuilding"
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    More criticism, which is fine, it makes the place fun but what about some opinion and thought?
    And who will pay for our therapists? The fans need mental help as well with the way this season has gone so far.
    I'm keeping the faith no matter what. Keep me entertained and give an honest attempt to win by giving it 100% every game. There's no 'life or death' stuff here although it is tough to see that sometimes when you are an invested fan.
    zman
    I didn't know where else to post this, but my concern is a trend that is becoming more noticeable over the last 1-2 years...
    Early period goal, late period goals and tying goals at the end of the game. Its as if it's crept into all of their heads now. Whats the answer for that, a team psychologist? It feels like they're expecting it. Is that coaching?
    A tear down would help that i guess.
    Is it just me, or roughly 5 years ago, if the Rangers had a 1 goal lead in the 3rd, it was lock down. Now, it's hold your breath, and here it comes. I think the first time i remember it starting was against washington 2 or 3 years ago, when Ovi slammed boyle into the boards and i think Ward scored a goal with a few seconds left. Then the whole season 2 years ago, and of course last year with Ottawa.
    I think this years team is better than last. And the record doesn't reflect their skill. The shooting percentage is way down so far and will likely pick up as the other teams slow down. But if these late game tying goals and early period goals don't get fixed, and i have no idea how, whats the point. It really feels psychological at this point.

    I think a lot of it is psychological, yea.
    The thing is, they don't do anything differently now than they did under Torts. They never blew a one-goal lead with him - Actually I think they set some sort of NHL record for holding leads - but they turtled just as much. Just, for whatever reason, pucks didn't end up in the back of the net as often.
    I didn't know where else to post this, but my concern is a trend that is becoming more noticeable over the last 1-2 years...
    Early period goal, late period goals and tying goals at the end of the game. Its as if it's crept into all of their heads now. Whats the answer for that, a team psychologist? It feels like they're expecting it. Is that coaching?
    A tear down would help that i guess.
    Is it just me, or roughly 5 years ago, if the Rangers had a 1 goal lead in the 3rd, it was lock down. Now, it's hold your breath, and here it comes. I think the first time i remember it starting was against washington 2 or 3 years ago, when Ovi slammed boyle into the boards and i think Ward scored a goal with a few seconds left. Then the whole season 2 years ago, and of course last year with Ottawa.
    I think this years team is better than last. And the record doesn't reflect their skill. The shooting percentage is way down so far and will likely pick up as the other teams slow down. But if these late game tying goals and early period goals don't get fixed, and i have no idea how, whats the point. It really feels psychological at this point.
    AmericanJesus
    Hank isn't good enough to win with for us. But we can let him go try to win with a much better club at a significantly lower cap hit. Getting out from under that fourth year at $8.5M might be important. $1.9M is much easier to manage in 21/22.

    I'd much rather just have that convo with him, and if that's the case he can waive and we can trade him.
    Long live the King
    If Hank isn't good enough to win with, and we're Mali g those trades, drafting high, and playing kids, then we don't need to buy Hank out. At least not yet. We won't need the cap savings.

    Hank isn't good enough to win with for us. But we can let him go try to win with a much better club at a significantly lower cap hit. Getting out from under that fourth year at $8.5M might be important. $1.9M is much easier to manage in 21/22.
    AmericanJesus
    Toronto made it much easier for a big market team to do it, while Pittsburgh's and Chicago's repeated success illustrates how important it is for winning a Stanley Cup. Gorton's still new enough in his tenure (and Dolan hands-off enough) that he'd be given the reigns to get the rebuild going. So there is no real job cost here, imo.
    In a full rebuild, you have some options, too. Like this one:
    18/19 - $3.9M
    19/20 - $4.4M
    20/21 - $5.8M
    21/22 - $1.9M
    22/23 - $1.9M
    23/24 - $1.9M
    That's Lundqvist's buyout cap hit. It frees him up to go sign a deal that would give him a couple more kicks at the Stanley Cup can with a legitimate contender, ala Dominic Hasek. Heck, he could go be the backup in Pittsburgh, hook back up with Talbot in Edmonton or try out life in Toronto. Actual Cost to the franchise: 6 years @ $1.9M ($11.4M total). It's really the least the team can do for a Rangers' living legend and allows them to stop pretending they are a competative team because they have an elite goaltender. Give Pavelec the reigns with Nell or Georgiev as backup.
    Nash and Grabner of course can be moved as rentals.
    McDonagh and Zucc can be moved for extra value with a year left on their deals after this one. Either is free to come back to the franchise in 19/20 when they are UFAs again if it makes sense at that time.
    And that, my friends, is how you successfully tank. The team, with those players removed, will be in the draft lottery for at least the next two to three years. And then you've got enough top tier young talent through the draft, a couple of young elite level goaltending prospects ready to start their NHL careers, enough depth young talent (Chytil, Andersson, Day, Pionk, etc) and the veterans (Zib, Kreider, Miller, Hayes, Fast, Vesey, Shattenkirk, Skjei) to put together a legitimate Cup contender again.

    If Hank isn't good enough to win with, and we're Mali g those trades, drafting high, and playing kids, then we don't need to buy Hank out. At least not yet. We won't need the cap savings.
    AmericanJesus
    Toronto made it much easier for a big market team to do it, while Pittsburgh's and Chicago's repeated success illustrates how important it is for winning a Stanley Cup. Gorton's still new enough in his tenure (and Dolan hands-off enough) that he'd be given the reigns to get the rebuild going. So there is no real job cost here, imo.
    In a full rebuild, you have some options, too. Like this one:
    18/19 - $3.9M
    19/20 - $4.4M
    20/21 - $5.8M
    21/22 - $1.9M
    22/23 - $1.9M
    23/24 - $1.9M
    That's Lundqvist's buyout cap hit. It frees him up to go sign a deal that would give him a couple more kicks at the Stanley Cup can with a legitimate contender, ala Dominic Hasek. Heck, he could go be the backup in Pittsburgh, hook back up with Talbot in Edmonton or try out life in Toronto. Actual Cost to the franchise: 6 years @ $1.9M ($11.4M total). It's really the least the team can do for a Rangers' living legend and allows them to stop pretending they are a competative team because they have an elite goaltender. Give Pavelec the reigns with Nell or Georgiev as backup.
    Nash and Grabner of course can be moved as rentals.
    McDonagh and Zucc can be moved for extra value with a year left on their deals after this one. Either is free to come back to the franchise in 19/20 when they are UFAs again if it makes sense at that time.
    And that, my friends, is how you successfully tank. The team, with those players removed, will be in the draft lottery for at least the next two to three years. And then you've got enough top tier young talent through the draft, a couple of young elite level goaltending prospects ready to start their NHL careers, enough depth young talent (Chytil, Andersson, Day, Pionk, etc) and the veterans (Zib, Kreider, Miller, Hayes, Fast, Vesey, Shattenkirk, Skjei) to put together a legitimate Cup contender again.

    They're gonna lead the NHL in dead cap money anyway so...
    Phil in Absentia
    The pace they'd have to play at just to make the lower end of the playoff spectrum is insane, though. Really, tomorrow's game is, IMO, the fulcrum. A loss there and you almost have to change coaches to see if a new voice can't right the ship.
    But I also believe that it's an issue of composition more than coaching, and I have no faith at all in Lindy Ruff or Scott Arniel to get blood from this stone.
    If Lundqvist sucks, not much else matters. But you can play dump and grind with big guys like Kreider and Nash camped i f o the net looking for garbage goals. They do not do that,ever,and you have to be told to do that. AV's offense is 4-6 tape to tape passes looking for an open shot. They still managed to outchance SJS but were outworked and badly,. And that's the real problem. There has been the Habs game that had a 60 minute effort and that's it. What ever system you play doesn't matter if you're gonna skate around like a bunch of kids at open skate waiting for mommy to get you hot cocoa.

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